Yeah, I've been to Fogelsville and Upper Macungie around I-78 and Route 100. It's not as crowded. Lots of open countryside. I was in that area early this year for the Lehigh Valley Geocachers breakfast event. I think it's sad that so many areas are going downhill. It's not just Allentown, but also parts of Bethlehem and even Easton. Lehigh Valley is far more interesting than Western NJ but just a few bad things can spoil a trip. I hope the same fate doesn't befall Central Pennsylvania. I love all those small towns I stopped at on my way to Anthrocon.